1873 Elgin Pocket Watch
12 April 2022
Description

White Gold, Elgin Serial No 33323082, In good condition but mechanism no longer functions, will attach complete info sheet if this system lets me.

Provenance

Was owned by my father, John C. Robinson, until his passing. To my knowledge has always been in the family.

Acquired from
Inherited
For sale
Maybe
Answered within about 1 hour
By David
Apr 12, 19:53 UTC
Fair Market Value
$175 - $225 USD
Suggested Asking Price $75 USD
What does this mean?

Hello Gary,
Thank you for sending in this pocket watch to mearto.com for an appraisal.
TITLE:
Gent’s, size 12, white gold-filled, pendant wound and pendant set, open face pocket watch, Grade 315, Model 3, class 114, S/N 33323082, made by the Elgin National Watch Company, Elgin, Illinois, circa 1932.
Provenance: Was owned by my father, John C. Robinson, until his passing. To my knowledge has always been in the family.
DESCRIPTION:
Case/Condition: Size 12, white gold-filled, pendant wound and pendant set, with a fluted coin shaped crown and triangular bow placed at the twelve position relative to the dial. The interior of the cover has no gold hallmark and carries the markings of the Star Watch case Company
The photo of the back of the case reveals a circular engraving in the center which appears (blurry) to be a serpent. The edge of the back cover, the case barrel and the glazed bezel all have chased or embossed foliate small designs. This appears, from the styling and design, to be a mid-late Art Deco era (1920-1940s) watch. The inside of the cover is not shown. The condition is good with modest wear to the engraved and embossed case. There are modest scratches on the back cover.
Dial: This is a silvered white dial with applied brass upright Arabic hour chapter ring, closed bar minute track to the outside, large subsidiary seconds dial @6, a round guilloche design in the dial center and the upper dial marked ‘Elgin’ in print. The hands are a skeletonized variant of ‘trefoil lance’ hands. The dial is in very good condition.
Movement: NOT SHOWN - A nickel, split three quarter plate, size 12 movement, the Grade 315, Model 3, Class 114, made by the Elgin National Watch Company with serial number 33323082, made in the year 1932 in a run of 3000 such movements. Each of these models is made with 15 jewels, some in screw-down gold settings. The watch is pendant wound and set. It has a double roller and quick train with ruby jewels. There is a bimetallic expansion type balance wheel for adjusting for temperature changes, Breguet hairspring and a Moseley patented regulator (for details see one of your other appraisals). The movement accuracy is NOT adjusted for position and it is NOT of railroad grade. The movement is properly signed and numbered. THE MOVEMENT IS NOT CURRENTLY FUNCTIONAL.
PRICING: Assuming this is a 14k gold-filled case then the fair market value, in running condition, would fall into $175-$225 fair market range primarily because of the fine dial. For non-working models, if you subtract what it would cost to fix it there would not be enough value here to justify purchasing the watch. So, what I have provided for you is the watch’s value in working condition, and have marked it for sale at a premium discount. Hopefully, you will understand this mechanism. It encourages a watch repair person to buy the watch and fix it up himself, which likely costs the person very little.
Thank you for choosing mearto.com for this appraisal and for trying to help me understand the multitude of numbers in these three appraisals.
My best,
David
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Dear Gary,
Thank you for contacting Mearto with your appraisal inquiry. I have received all three appraisals.
I will do them as you submitted them, but I need to know if these are solid gold, gold filled, gold plated or rolled gold. Can you tell me that and if not, can you send me a photo of the inside of the cover where the hallmarks are. I will not need any photos f the movement, Just the one on each watch for the inside of the cover.
Thanks
David
Also I notice on your information sheet the elgin serial number of this watch is 0322324 and you list it as
33323082, a totally different number. I will need to see the movement to get the correct serial number on this watch. It is NOT the number inside the case, but on the movement.
Please let me know you can do this.
David

David Apr 12, 20:01 UTC

Also I notice on your information sheet the elgin serial number of this watch is 0322324 and you list it as 33323082, a totally different number. I will need to see the movement to get the correct serial number on this watch. It is NOT the number inside the case, but on the movement.
Please let me know you can do this.
David

David Apr 12, 21:33 UTC

Since i do not want to mark this appraisal as conditional, and you will not be able to sell the watch, I will need the following ACCURATE information. Your information sheet lists the serial number as 0323224, a number which does not exist in the Elgin files. You list the serial number as 33323082.
1-Confirm the serial number by showing me a photo of the movement with a legible number.
2-You list this as white gold and you will need to show me the inside of the back cover with its markings clearly legible. They made white gold plated watches as well as solid gold.
By doing that I can accurately appraise your pocket watch.
I will set it aside marked as missing information and I will do your appraisal ASAP after receiving the correct information.
My best,
David

Gary l. robinson Apr 13, 03:36 UTC

33323082 is the accurate serial number. 0322324 was the number on the inside back cover. It says it is 14k gold filled. the other two watches have no mention of the metal on the inside back. So I guess I am at a loss to be able to identify those unless you can tell me another way. Again I have limited photo equipment and ability to produce photos or better photos.

David Apr 13, 21:12 UTC

The Star watch case Company has been added to the write-up of this appraisal.
david

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