Erotic gold watch seal
31 January 2019
Description

Gold normal watch seal size same as seal sold in Christie’s in 2012 price £12,000 in good condition and working order

Provenance

Bought in London 20 years ago

Acquired from
Other
For sale
Yes
Answered within about 1 hour
By David
Jan 31, 16:15 UTC
Fair Market Value
$17,500 - $20,000 USD
Insurance Value $0 USD
What does this mean?

Dear John,
Thank you for contacting Mearto with your appraisal inquiry. I will do my best to assist you with this appraisal. thank you for all the images.
TITLE:
Gold ornamental (non- functional) Fob Seal for watch chain adn/or fob pocket display, containing an Erotic musical automaton, made in Switzerland, for use on the Continent, circa1820-1840.
DESRIPTION:
Measuring approximately 42mm x 28mm x 20mm this is a solid gold Fob Seal with small circular ring to attach to a pocket watch chain adn function to wind the musical component. The larger gold ring, engraved with laurel leaves, has a stem connecting to the vasiform gold fluted post, the stem extending up into the small ringlet. Below the ring is a triple tiered gold hinged case which when opened reveals an octagonal shaped casing, primarily with red and green paints and a gold engine-turned box with an erotic automaton scene, sometimes executed in multi-colored gold (although I cannot be sure that is what is seen here). However, the erotic scene is done in solid gold of a gentleman leaning suggestively above a lady who is reclining on a chaise lounge, her skirt elevated beyond what one normally expects, with bed type drapery in red and yellow above the couple and an enameled background with a piece of furniture. The musical mechanism and automaton are operated by pushing or twisting of the stem of the central fluted vasiform pendant. Condition of the piece is excellent. I contains no exotic gemstones or elaborate carving of the gold, but the painted and gilded erotic scene is in very good condition and I am assuming all functions are operating.
HISTORICAL:
An important accessory to the seventeenth- and eighteenth-century man, a watch fob and seal was an object directly attached to the chain of one’s pocket watch. A watch chain was used to suspend one’s watch from the waistcoat’s “fob pocket,” from which also hung the watch fob, usually with an attached seal at the bottom end of the fob. Fobs were often cone-like in form, attached to the watch chain with a metal loop at the narrow end of the fob. The seal was on the wide, circular end of the fob. In turn, fobs could also be purely decorative, without a seal (such as this example). During the Medieval and Renaissance periods, seals were necessary for any valid business transaction, and since ancient times were generally worn on someone’s person in the form of a ring. In the 18th century signet rings performed a similar function. signet rings fell out of fashion in the late seventeenth century due to the rise of the pocket watch and chain. Also, during this time period, the seal became less of a necessary tool and more of a decoration, yet still a useful decoration. Men were likely to carry bunches of “seals, keys, and trinkets from their watch chains.” Watch fob seals could be worn by either men or women; however, toward the end of the eighteenth century they became to be more associated with masculine dress.
I have looked at a number of these erotic and ornamental watch fob seals and have concluded that the value today, considering the elevation of the price of gold (Circa 2011) NOT to be a big factor in such a small object, but the unique quality of the piece, the condition of the automaton and the rarity of the object, despite not having fancy carving or precious gemstones, would tend to retain its value over these past two decades.
An ornate example sold at Sotheby’s in 2014:
https://www.barnebys.com/realizedprices/lot/1681723/a-vari-coloured-gold-and-enamel-musical-fob-seal-with-concealed-erotic/ (sold for $26,400)
I(n 2012 is again a slightly more eornate example, much more similar to yours which sold for 12500 GBP (today about $16500, perhaps a bit more in 2012)
An example with a later re painted scene sold for as much as $6000 at Sotheby’s.
My conclusion is that the fair market value would, in today’s market, range from $17500-$20000.
I hope you continue to enjoy this superb little piece of history. I am sure it will only grow in value.
Thank you again for using the mearto service. I hope I have been of some assistance to you.
My best,
David

John thompson Jan 31, 18:40 UTC

Hello David Yes it is automated with a lovely enamel scene with curtains and a couple in bed in perfect condition as well as being musical winding from the top ring I will attempt photo but not being computer literate I can’t guarantee But am sure it is same size as one at Christie’s Regards John T

John thompson Jan 31, 19:24 UTC

Hello David With assistance will attempt photos tomorrow morning Regards John T

David Jan 31, 19:34 UTC

Thank you for attempting that and let me know if you find anything in writing on the piece.
David

John thompson Jan 31, 22:31 UTC

David size H42mmL28mm W20mm mark inside cover HI in a diamond shape Hope this helps Regards John T

John thompson Feb 01, 10:08 UTC

Thank you David My other one has a jewelled case but automaton is not as good Regards John T

David Feb 01, 12:43 UTC

Thank you for sending tht little gem to us
Best,
David

Do you have a similar item and want to know how much it’s worth?

Communicate directly with a qualified specialist and get a fair market valuation of your item, typically in 48 hours or less.

Similar item appraisals

5 Oct, 2024
cuckoo clock
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
5 Oct, 2024
Beanie Baby
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
4 Oct, 2024
Tairona gold figu...
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
2 Oct, 2024
Hummel adventure ...
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
26 Sep, 2024
Authentic Disney ...
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
25 Sep, 2024
Pirates of the Ca...
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: $1,500 - $2,500
23 Sep, 2024
Hummel 257 1963
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
15 Sep, 2024
Joel Magee Disney...
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals
13 Sep, 2024
Murano Goldfish Pair
Decorative Collectibles
Estimate: No appraisals